An inportant phrase to be remembered by all no matter that if it was or wasn’t Voltair who said them:
”I disapprove of what you say,
but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”.
These words, no matter which language they are spoken in, are essential for history in the past, present and for possibilities to find a peaceful future for the world.
There are no World Goverment. Thank God for that. That wouldn’t have been fair or democratic at all. All Humans are equal but different. The acceptence of the later ”different” in respect of showing respect not only to those who are your friends and thus to their opinion is the first step for you to accept yourself and earn respect from others.
In Ukraine-question many have forgotten to look back at history of the land. Contrary to Estonia, which have their land noted from Tacitus on; contrary to Latvia who played a major roll in European History from Migration Age and thus is noted in Arabic, Greek as well as Roman contemporary sources written by Fathers of Church (mostly ortodox Christians) and Geographers (many of the Arabic sources now only available in French translations…); contrary to Lituania who can be read about as ethnic groups land from pre Viking Age;
Ukraine is a Modern established country. If you go back three hundred years those who in late 1880 started their nationalistic calls for an own country, the group today called Ukrainians never owned most of the land today’s Ukraine call their. Bulgaria, Polen and Baltic States have historic rights as goes for Kiev Rus from 988 AD and others.
There was an historic reason why Sweden’s Karl XII went to fight in Poltava and lost.
If you don’t know the history it’s hard to predict the future.
History forgotten by many
Quote below written in Swedish. Quick English translation below.
Det ukrainska territoriet, så som det ser ut idag, är ett resultat av gränsförändringar efter andra världskriget. Det består av flera regioner. I denna artikel kommer jag först och främst ta hänsyn till en uppdelning av Ukraina i Östukraina och Västukraina.
Begreppet Östukraina, som det används här, omfattar – Högra Strandens Ukraina (väster om floden Dnjepr) och Vänstra Strandens Ukraina (öster därom) samt södra Ukraina (med bl a Zaporo-zje, Krim och Donbass). Vänstra Strandens Ukraina hamnade i den ryska staten så tidigt som 1654, medan Högra Stranden gjorde det först i samband med Polens delningar vid 1700-talets slut. Södra Ukraina koloniserades av Ryssland i slutet av 1700-talet.
Västukraina hamnade under Moskvas styre egentligen först efter andra världskriget. Dess huvudregion Galizien befann sig inom den polska politiska och kulturella sfären från ca 1349 fram till Polens delningar och ingick därefter i det habsburgska imperiet. Till Västukraina räknas även Bukovyna (den norra delen ligger idag i Ukraina, medan den södra är rumänsk), vidare Karpatoruthenien (som fram till 1918 tillhörde Ungern) och Podolien och Volhynien (norr om Galizien). Volhynien tillhörde visserligen Ryssland mellan 1793 och 1917, men dess tidigare historia liknar Galiziens och under mellankrigstiden var denna region tillsammans med Galizien en del av Polen.Ukraina – en territoriell och politisk eller en språklig och etnisk gemenskap?; Barbara Törnquist-Plewa är fil dr i slaviska språk vid Lunds universitet
English Translation: ”The Ukrainian territory, as it stands today, is a result of border changes after World War II. It consists of several regions. In this article I will first and foremost take into account a division of Ukraine in Östukraina and Western Ukraine.
The concept Östukraina, as used herein, encompasses – the right bank Ukraine (west of the Dnieper river) and left bank Ukraine (east of it) and Southern Ukraine (which include Zaporo-zje, Crimea and the Donbass). Left bank Ukraine ended up in the Russian state as early as 1654, while the right bank did so only in connection with the Partitions of Poland at the end of the 1700s. Southern Ukraine was colonized by Russia in the late 1700s.
Western Ukraine came under Moscow’s rule really only after the Second World War. Its main region of Galicia were within the Polish political and cultural spheres from about 1349 until the Partitions of Poland, and was then in the Habsburg Empire. To Western Ukraine also includes Bukovyna (the northern part lies today in Ukraine, while the south is Romanian), further Karpatoruthenien (which until 1918 belonged to Hungary) and Podolia and Volhynia (north of Galicia). Volhynia, although in Russia between 1793 and 1917, but its early history is similar Galiziens and during the interwar period was the region with the Galicia part of Poland.”Ukraina – en territoriell och politisk eller en språklig och etnisk gemenskap?; Barbara Törnquist-Plewa är fil dr i slaviska språk vid Lunds universitet
Russian was spoken in Ukraine long before the Ukranian developed as languages. Central parts of the present Ukraine down to the Crimea ”Swedish” -Historic gothic background confirmed, inter alia, by one of the Armenian historians during the Migration Period.
Crimea has not belonged to any country Ukraine historically. Ukraine is the brainchild of the late 1800s and 1900s nationalists. Quick English translation from Ukraina 1900-tals skapelse inte historiskt eller historiska gränser
How could that be that so many missed history of the past? An important question to be asked in it’s own context as soon as it’s time for that question. But it’s time to realise that borders between countries drown after WWI and WWII are political drawn borders. Historic maps from before 1914 in US Congress Library, in Helsinki University, Uppsala University and elsewhere SHOULD be looked upon. They aren’t tempered with, which many of the maps here in EU which teachers and others hardly can miss if they take time looking closer…. (Written about this in other blog articles)
Many people have been born in a country they called home. Wars have changed borders.
Learn from History and Historical mistakes causing shadows to fall over Europe today.
Nattmanglingen om Ukrainas framtid fortsätter, Aftonbladet 12 februari 2015
Hela världen håller andan under mötet, Expressen 12 februari 2015
Ukrainasamtal drar ut på tiden, SvD 12 februari 2015
Den ukrainske presidenten Petro Porosjenko säger till AFP att de ryska villkoren är ”oacceptabla”Inget Ukrainaavtal om vapenvila, DN 12 februari 2015 Well IF Porosjenko continues to claim land which Ukraine not existing historical according to Porosjenko should have, land owned by Bulgaria, Poland, Baltic States and Russia during long long history. Then he better rethink.
Something everyone ought to remember
Accept that one need to understand History in order to make it possible to understand future.
Look for example at:
Compare that map, a result of Peace negotions after WWI and WWII
Look at borders changed many of them due to Fall of the Ottoman Empire after WWI some of later years wars within and/or between countries might not have happened.
Ottoman Empire threatened Europe and had not the advance stopped at Vienna, last attempt to besiege the city to go further west was in the Battle of Vienna in 1683, we had hardly had a Europe that looked like it does today. But a large part of problems in Europe from the Balkans east to Ukraine and down to border between Turkey and Syria can be traced back to the peace treets which forced the Ottoman Empire to be split up in states.
Learn from History: Humans are humans and can’t be expected to change home countries like some say men do shirts…